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    Postby Louis the Hedgehog on February 15th, 2009, 3:23 am

    Someone somewhere on the internet has claimed that Sonic the Hedgehog was in the dark ages, but has moved out of it. I say that it is still in the dark ages, but have simply moved from the time of famine and disease, to the time of warfare and torture, metaphorically speaking. In summary, the fandom can only be described as this, again, metaphorically speaking. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfZeIYyL_Gw

    It goes without saying that the present decade of our franchise has been the most shameful. The reviews are dropping fast, all sorts of pointless characters are being added, the fans are fighting amongst ourselves, and the remains of what we hold dear are being played with like a loaded gun. But soon this decade will come to an end. We must make the next ten years count. 2011 will soon be upon us. We must prepare to create...

    THE REBORN SONIC FANDOM

    We shall redefine the very composition of our fandom. We will reach out to those who share traits with those who could be interested in joining us. For right now, there are hundreds of thousands of people with fan members asleep in them. What we must do is wake them up. Then we will be able to break down any beauocracy that will stand in our way. The time of being the silent majority must end. Don't get me wrong, every effort counts. But these are just baby steps compared to the giant journey that must be completed. Only a truly unified effort can accomplish this.

    And to those who use their position in the fandom to crush those weaker themselves, consider this your warning. If you continue to live by the sword, you will soon die by the sword. The fandom is not your property, and we will defend ourselves. You will be found, you will be exposed, and you will be defeated.

    Our goal is a noble one, but we will need more than a goal, we need a strategy. What we need is an event that will turn a lot of heads. We will reach out to other fandoms similar to our own. To anyone who complains about the present quality of the franchise, we will offer our input and support. And everyone will treat the problems of other members as their own, and receive the same treatment in return.

    I've been telling you a lot about what I want to be accomplished. But here is what I don't want to see accomplished. I don't want this to be another overrated franchise that is constantly shoved up everyone's rear through constant advertising and is begging for death. Our particular flavor of Sonic has a certain mistique associated with not constantly being shoved in the spotlight, and I don't want to lose that. Let's not gain popularity only to abuse it.

    I know a strong effort can be made. I remember when the life of Sally depended on fan support, and we delivered an impressive shove. I am asking that we do this again, but this time deliver the force of a hypersonic projectile.

    And most important of all is that we realize that something is "impossible" only if we believe it to be "impossible". Remember Never underestimate the ability of a small dedicated group of people to change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing it ever has.

    So what's our first move? We reach out to a group of people known as the "furry fandom". They are ripe with the ability to support us. They are the strongest and most likely people to help our dreams be realized.

    I'll post the links to contact Ben Andec formerly of SEGA when I have the time and if the management allows me. We will use his help to determine what really happened and who we can and can't trust.

    We must prepare by 2011, and have our goals realized by 2013. It can be done, and must be done.
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    Re: Let's make a goal here.

    Postby Hakuzo NightFox on February 15th, 2009, 8:33 am

    Louis the Hedgehog wrote:So what's our first move? We reach out to a group of people known as the "furry fandom". They are ripe with the ability to support us. They are the strongest and most likely people to help our dreams be realized.


    Heh, where to begin, Where to begin... first of, as for the fur community, Your late on that boat. I think they are about the only ones keeping sonic afloat at this time. But then again I feel that everyone one that likes sonic is part furry :yes:.

    As I am one that walks the furry lane, (not to the extent as some as I've seen :/) I can say there has been a lot of support from the fur community, just probable not the way most would like, but still its there behind the curtain.(and I will not go into any more detail than that because this is a Family friendly forum.)

    It seems to me that Sega is no longer what they used to be, ever since they merged (In reality, Nintendo bought out Sega.) Sega has no really sense of quality anymore. Just today on an advertisement for Sonic and the black night, they have in the bottom corner a pic that says Sonic Story Book series. First allibaba and the forty thieves, now King Aurthur. I have a feeling that Sonic unleashed is somehow connected in that set. It seems to be another sad attempt to appeal to older people that know these stories. Don't get me wrong, the story IN game is interesting, just the game play is worthless nowadays.

    Getting back on track, I feel appealing to members of the fandom will not work, we need to spread out wards and show others the goodness of SatAm. So its a complicated task, We want to keep who we have (well maybe) and bring in others that can potentially like SatAm more than we do.
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    Re: Let's make a goal here.

    Postby Cybermax on February 15th, 2009, 4:37 pm

    Hakuzo NightFox wrote:
    Louis the Hedgehog wrote:So what's our first move? We reach out to a group of people known as the "furry fandom". They are ripe with the ability to support us. They are the strongest and most likely people to help our dreams be realized.


    Heh, where to begin, Where to begin... first of, as for the fur community, Your late on that boat. I think they are about the only ones keeping sonic afloat at this time. But then again I feel that everyone one that likes sonic is part furry :yes:.

    As I am one that walks the furry lane, (not to the extent as some as I've seen :/) I can say there has been a lot of support from the fur community, just probable not the way most would like, but still its there behind the curtain.(and I will not go into any more detail than that because this is a Family friendly forum.)

    It seems to me that Sega is no longer what they used to be, ever since they merged (In reality, Nintendo bought out Sega.) Sega has no really sense of quality anymore. Just today on an advertisement for Sonic and the black night, they have in the bottom corner a pic that says Sonic Story Book series. First allibaba and the forty thieves, now King Aurthur. I have a feeling that Sonic unleashed is somehow connected in that set. It seems to be another sad attempt to appeal to older people that know these stories. Don't get me wrong, the story IN game is interesting, just the game play is worthless nowadays.

    Getting back on track, I feel appealing to members of the fandom will not work, we need to spread out wards and show others the goodness of SatAm. So its a complicated task, We want to keep who we have (well maybe) and bring in others that can potentially like SatAm more than we do.


    Good detailed post Hakuzo. I think anyone who likes Sonic to a certain extent likes furries, and I practically grew up on cartoons that had furries (Looney Tunes, a couple Disney movies, Nickelodeon cartoons, etc).

    I strongly believe that SEGA has lost it's sense of quality over the years. I was at Best Buy yesterday looking at the games section and came across Sonic Unleashed. For those who are familar with the Sonic series, it looks promising. For those who aren't, it may throw them a bit off-track. There was no description of the game anywhere on the back cover other than a few pictures and subtitles. So beyond Sonic being normal at day and a werewolf at night, there was practically no strong detail at all for the casual person. Nothing to convince them to purchase the game.

    And the Sonic storyline is a bit frustrating. First he goes on a 'Prince of Persia' type quest, then becomes a werewolf, then is against King Arthur? Where does this all fit? They are alright as stand alone titles, but with Sonic slapped in, they prove to be disappointments for many older fans, myself included.
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    Re: Let's make a goal here.

    Postby Sonic-Dude 1994 on February 15th, 2009, 7:08 pm

    No doubt, I mean besides "Sonic Adventures 1 & 2" they were the BEST sonic games for any system. We MUST stay strong for our speedy blue friend & the people there at SONIC TEAM, of course everyone may think they the main problem is Sonic Team & SEGA, but its really just SEGA of JAPAN causing ALL this trouble for us. Keep on grilling SEGA, voices that are United can do impossible things.

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    Re: Let's make a goal here.

    Postby Ze Nuvakat on February 15th, 2009, 8:55 pm

    My project Sonikku could be said to be a part of this push, I guess, but it's meant more to be a "Mobian ministry" than anything else. Still, if it's as good as I hope it's going to be, it could be a step in the right direction for the fandom as well. Might as well hit two buzzbombers with one water balloon.
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    Re: Let's make a goal here.

    Postby Cybermax on February 15th, 2009, 9:11 pm

    Sonic-Dude 1994 wrote:No doubt, I mean besides "Sonic Adventures 1 & 2" they were the BEST sonic games for any system. We MUST stay strong for our speedy blue friend & the people there at SONIC TEAM, of course everyone may think they the main problem is Sonic Team & SEGA, but its really just SEGA of JAPAN causing ALL this trouble for us. Keep on grilling SEGA, voices that are United can do impossible things.

    Support the Cause for SONIC FANDOM. :biggrin:


    If a large group of people has the guts to go up to them and convince that they have been churning out games of medicore to bad quality, then they may finally see their own flaws.

    But noone is going to not only because we will hit a brick wall when we try to contact them, but also for the fact that the Sonic fandom is divided up into several subcategories and personalities. It's a shame how complex it's gotten from the simpler days when all Sonic was known for was his classic Genesis games, his Archie/Fleetway comics and his DiC cartoons.
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    Re: Let's make a goal here.

    Postby Louis the Hedgehog on February 15th, 2009, 10:19 pm

    If you want to reach Ben Andac, formerly of SEGA, here is a link.
    http://www.linkedin.com/in/benandac

    But noone is going to not only because we will hit a brick wall when we try to contact them, but also for the fact that the Sonic fandom is divided up into several subcategories and personalities.

    Which is why we must unite the fandom and turn it into a hypersonic projectile that can penetrate even 10 feet (3.3 meters) of the strongest steel.

    We must also have a crystal clear understanding of how and why SoJ had developed the strangelhold it did. There must be no room for error.

    Also we must demonstrate that while the other "fans" are defending the present situation like someone with an obsessive-compulsive disorder, we are defending our goals like a mother bear would her cub.

    And yes, an overwhelming number of fans have been, sometimes literally screaming at SEGA. But it is disorganized and comes across as just noize. We need to unite our voices and turn it into a powerful sonic cannon. Let's see how well they ignore having their eardrumbs shattered.

    but just talking about this will not accomplish anything. We need to DO something! So find a few people who you think have great potential for being Sonic fans. Preferrably ones who may have heard of or seen SatAM once or twice before. Tell them about our struggle but do not get all up in their faces. Instead invite their courriousity.
    Our goal to end the madness is 2011. And remember, real fans don't harass other fans, they encourage them.
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    Re: Let's make a goal here.

    Postby Hakuzo NightFox on February 16th, 2009, 3:08 am

    Now here's the problem, We cannot get our voices heard unless we can go through the proper channels. It seems SoJ ideas are different compared to anyone else. Not only do we need to appeal to new and younger people, We also need to appeal to the older people too. We also need to start a chain-reaction of sorts. like starting with former Sega employees that may still have some small ties to Sega, from there they start getting the fuse lit by showing them what the general really wants. As the SoA get flooded with the voices of their fandom, then that will ultimately get forced up the ladder even more, and hopefully will blow SoJ off their high horse that is one the very edge of the Cliff the ride along.

    But that still requires the fan base to get more organized, Something like ether A) Boycotting Sonic B) Signing petitions (probably online) and forwarding these to the people that have some sway.
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    Re: Let's make a goal here.

    Postby Cybermax on February 16th, 2009, 3:38 am

    That's still going to be pretty hard to pull off. I think we need a leader or two who respects Sonic fandom from all different sides and people of all ages. I couldn't picture myself a leader because not only would I have enough time, but I don't have much of a tolerance for the younger people due to their opinions and attitudes regarding the Sonic fanbase.

    Finding a key former Sega employee would also help because that person would give in material that would be vital, and simply couldn't be done by just a regular Sonic fan. For whatever reason why SOJ just started to go by their own rules with an iron fist and disregard anything SOA or SOE had to say is simply ridiculous. We need to prove we're more than just a bunch of complainers, and furthermore we need to be organized. A few chain reactions would help as well, because that will convnice SOJ that there is more to the problem than it looks.

    We could try all methods, but I'm just going by what I think would suit better.
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    Re: Let's make a goal here.

    Postby A Knothole Resident on February 16th, 2009, 8:46 pm

    I may certainly be a beneficial attribute to this crusade, especially since most of you know I've been an advocate in preserving Sonic's dignity since "the big switch of 99." I've spent the last 4 years fighting an uphill battle with Sega of Japan regarding my film and the fact remains, is that they simply dont care anymore. When Robert Leffler passed away the same month Universal Pictures and DiC Entertainment greenlit the film, it symbolized the end of Sega. Rob was practically the only person that understood the afflictions and constant disappointment that Sonic fans have endured which is why he flew to Japan on my behalf cause he was one on the many few at Sega of America that cared and took action. Sega of America was ready to sign a deal and assumed that their Japanese branch would support the feature film since it compromised all the subdivisions to appease the entire fan base.

    I still have all the emails saved from 2005-2009 regarding SOJ's poor business practices with a couple of minor testimonies from their hire ups that agree the franchise is failing, but have no control or say in Sonic Team's creative decisions. Plus Universal, DiC and my agents all feel that we've been jerked around and hold a bitterness towards their company. I was audacious to make these bold moves. Flying to Holywood. Pitching to various big budget studios. And even, spending $4,000 out of my pocket. So I have a legitimate reason to seek retribution for the mental anguish and financial loss Sega of Japan has caused me. Being as the persistent and relentless person that I am, I will still make several attempts to convince SOJ to reconsider their decision. The problem I noticed is that Sega has this "We approach you, so please dont approach us" policy. It’s the reason that Ben Hurst has remained idle in pursing Season 3 of SatAM. He’s waiting for a call that will never happen unless he makes the initiative. If all these directors, producers or anyone associate with Sonic wants to achieve their goal, they cant be easily submissive to Sega. Which why I was aggressive with their company for the past 4 years. I however step over the boundaries and exhaust every method possible to get my voice heard. But either way, I remain optimistic that I will someday accomplish this goal from the amount of passion and dedication I invested. Sega of Japan crushed my dreams and the opportunity I had to branch out as a writer and film maker. They need to be exposed for their crass, stubborn and inept business practices.

    Now lets discuss the silver lining. 2009 thus far has shown signs of the 90s returning. Chili Dogs referenced in Sonic and the Black Knight and the rumor of one freedom fighter surfacing in Sonic Chronicles 2. On a more unprecedented level, we recently witnessed the outside exposure of SatAM from such popular blog/reviews sites as Screwattack.com. What I find amazing about their recent reviews is the fact that Stuttering Craig, has NEVER seen the show and had nothing but good things to say about it. Hes not a Sonic fan, hes just a general gamer like his core audience. Speaking of which, both reviews received an array of positive comments. This proves that SatAM DOES have a wider appeal from its small circle of Sonic fans and its depressing that it took over 15 years for a NON-Sonic site to realize its greatness. This will convince the gaming community that Sonic has potential to be a competitive franchise like Halo or Metal Gear Solid. This sudden influx of new fans is setting the course of Sonic on the right path and with the Nostalgia Critic's review of SatAM just hours away of being broadcasted, could create an epidemic of regular joes showing their belated appreciation for Sonic as it did with Star Trek. How? The original Star Trek from the 60s was never that well received during its airing. After its cancellation, a growing fan base began to flourish and the demand for its comeback became more apparent. In 1979, Star Trek was back in full force. A new movie franchise and a new TV series and it only took nearly 20 years for this phenomenon to occur. That's pretty impressive considering that show only had 3 seasons using a low production values.

    A new decade is upon us, meaning that change should be inevitable. On top of that, 2011 will celebrate the 20th anniversary of the Sonic franchise. I've felt livid towards this franchise ever since Shadow was introduced and the fact remains that the games have gotten progressively worse. Sonic is transported into storybooks. A victim of classic horror lore, and now hes a furry version of Link. Plus havent you noticed that all the Sonic games are titled "SONIC [insert adjective]" What a perfect analogy to illustrate how the poor hedgehog lost his identity. Hes "SONIC THE HEDGEHOG" how come the recent titles dont use his full name anymore? Anyway, I didn’t mean for this post to be so novelistic but to summarize, I do share everyones pain and will continue to fight to bring the dignity back into the franchise. If you require Sega contact info from any branch, I can help in that departmennt. In addition, I will be involved with something Sega related on March 2 so hopefully that will pan out.
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    Re: Let's make a goal here.

    Postby Louis the Hedgehog on February 16th, 2009, 9:38 pm

    It may be hard to pull off, but it will be worth it. I posted a link to Ben Andec, but to contact him will require a fee. I would post other links I found, but I could not confirm if it was the same guy.

    Also, we need to make our voices heard on the message boards of general gaming sites, telling the members that there was a version of sonic that that was far more than a money-making machine.

    And one more thing. I will soon contract someone to create a banner for us to unite people to. Something that will be remembered and will inspire others. Something that will represent who and what we are.
    Our goal to end the madness is 2011. And remember, real fans don't harass other fans, they encourage them.
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    Re: Let's make a goal here.

    Postby Sonic-Dude 1994 on February 16th, 2009, 11:13 pm

    SEGA OF JAPAN is RUINING SONIC/SONIC TEAM for THE NEXT GENERATION, when are THEY going to stop CALLING OUT the SHOTS and SEGA OF AMERICA plus UK get a piece of the action, hu? :glare:

    Unless they do that, nothing is coming true on both the Games & the Animated Series. Except for the comic series, as long that doesn't change, it will DEFINITELY continue the Sonic Legacy. I know it.

    KEEP FIGHTING ON, SONIC FANS! DON'T LET WHAT SEGA SAY GET TO US, IT SHOULD BE US GETTING TO THEM, RIGHT. :thumbsup:
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    Re: Let's make a goal here.

    Postby Quexinos on February 17th, 2009, 7:34 am

    Let's make a goal here.




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    Re: Let's make a goal here.

    Postby Derek the Hedgehog on February 17th, 2009, 11:54 am

    A Knothole Resident wrote:I may certainly be a beneficial attribute to this crusade, especially since most of you know I've been an advocate in preserving Sonic's dignity since "the big switch of 99." I've spent the last 4 years fighting an uphill battle with Sega of Japan regarding my film and the fact remains, is that they simply dont care anymore. When Robert Leffler passed away the same month Universal Pictures and DiC Entertainment greenlit the film, it symbolized the end of Sega. Rob was practically the only person that understood the afflictions and constant disappointment that Sonic fans have endured which is why he flew to Japan on my behalf cause he was one on the many few at Sega of America that cared and took action. Sega of America was ready to sign a deal and assumed that their Japanese branch would support the feature film since it compromised all the subdivisions to appease the entire fan base.

    I still have all the emails saved from 2005-2009 regarding SOJ's poor business practices with a couple of minor testimonies from their hire ups that agree the franchise is failing, but have no control or say in Sonic Team's creative decisions. Plus Universal, DiC and my agents all feel that we've been jerked around and hold a bitterness towards their company. I was audacious to make these bold moves. Flying to Holywood. Pitching to various big budget studios. And even, spending $4,000 out of my pocket. So I have a legitimate reason to seek retribution for the mental anguish and financial loss Sega of Japan has caused me. Being as the persistent and relentless person that I am, I will still make several attempts to convince SOJ to reconsider their decision. The problem I noticed is that Sega has this "We approach you, so please dont approach us" policy. It’s the reason that Ben Hurst has remained idle in pursing Season 3 of SatAM. He’s waiting for a call that will never happen unless he makes the initiative. If all these directors, producers or anyone associate with Sonic wants to achieve their goal, they cant be easily submissive to Sega. Which why I was aggressive with their company for the past 4 years. I however step over the boundaries and exhaust every method possible to get my voice heard. But either way, I remain optimistic that I will someday accomplish this goal from the amount of passion and dedication I invested. Sega of Japan crushed my dreams and the opportunity I had to branch out as a writer and film maker. They need to be exposed for their crass, stubborn and inept business practices.

    Now lets discuss the silver lining. 2009 thus far has shown signs of the 90s returning. Chili Dogs referenced in Sonic and the Black Knight and the rumor of one freedom fighter surfacing in Sonic Chronicles 2. On a more unprecedented level, we recently witnessed the outside exposure of SatAM from such popular blog/reviews sites as Screwattack.com. What I find amazing about their recent reviews is the fact that Stuttering Craig, has NEVER seen the show and had nothing but good things to say about it. Hes not a Sonic fan, hes just a general gamer like his core audience. Speaking of which, both reviews received an array of positive comments. This proves that SatAM DOES have a wider appeal from its small circle of Sonic fans and its depressing that it took over 15 years for a NON-Sonic site to realize its greatness. This will convince the gaming community that Sonic has potential to be a competitive franchise like Halo or Metal Gear Solid. This sudden influx of new fans is setting the course of Sonic on the right path and with the Nostalgia Critic's review of SatAM just hours away of being broadcasted, could create an epidemic of regular joes showing their belated appreciation for Sonic as it did with Star Trek. How? The original Star Trek from the 60s was never that well received during its airing. After its cancellation, a growing fan base began to flourish and the demand for its comeback became more apparent. In 1979, Star Trek was back in full force. A new movie franchise and a new TV series and it only took nearly 20 years for this phenomenon to occur. That's pretty impressive considering that show only had 3 seasons using a low production values.

    A new decade is upon us, meaning that change should be inevitable. On top of that, 2011 will celebrate the 20th anniversary of the Sonic franchise. I've felt livid towards this franchise ever since Shadow was introduced and the fact remains that the games have gotten progressively worse. Sonic is transported into storybooks. A victim of classic horror lore, and now hes a furry version of Link. Plus havent you noticed that all the Sonic games are titled "SONIC [insert adjective]" What a perfect analogy to illustrate how the poor hedgehog lost his identity. Hes "SONIC THE HEDGEHOG" how come the recent titles dont use his full name anymore? Anyway, I didn’t mean for this post to be so novelistic but to summarize, I do share everyones pain and will continue to fight to bring the dignity back into the franchise. If you require Sega contact info from any branch, I can help in that departmennt. In addition, I will be involved with something Sega related on March 2 so hopefully that will pan out.


    I know we were all disappointed (well the old school Sonic fans) when Sonic X came out, due to lack of original game plots, lack of original characters that we grew up on, along with the classic themes of Robotnik being the final boss. Not to mention that the plots made no sense & voice acting (English dub anyway) was just almost unbearable to watch.

    I'm sorry your contact passed away. If only Sega of Japan greenlighted the project, your movie would've had the first trailer released by now. I personally thought your ideas to balance all subdivisions to please the fanbases was genius. But enough of that now. I was talking to a fan the other day & he said that a company's job is to satisfy the consumer. The company also should listen to what the consumer wants, make their product how the consumer wants, & if the consumer likes it, they can continue making it until they can improve it. However SoJ is doing the exact opposite for whatever reason.

    If only SoJ & Sonic Team can just allow SoA & SoE to have a say, no doubt that the ideas that SoA & SoE have (most likely still have after all these years) can finally bring Sonic out of his downfall at last. Nobody said it'll be easy. I mean for LucasArts, last year's Soul Caliber 4 (which I assume is kinda like a Soul Caliber/Star Wars crossover) was a success & it proves that something that is popular all over the world isn't just restricted to one nation; it can be done anywhere. Same goes for Sonic & this applies to other non-Sonic franchises that are a world-wide hit.

    Oh off-topic question: AKR, where did you find the rumor that a Freedom Fighter is showing up in Sonic Chronicles 2? I have to find that info!
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    Re: Let's make a goal here.

    Postby Sonic-Dude 1994 on February 17th, 2009, 12:00 pm

    Ya, I heard about that rumor too, I hope its true, but less likely. But wait minute here... don't we have another contact to get though to SEGA?
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